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suppression. ari berman has focused much of his attention on an underreported story this election season, namely efforts to prevent americans from exercising their democratic right. on the ballot for the -- the battle for the ballot and hoped the issue may be backfiring on those who support it. a conversation with ari berman from "the nation" comin gup now. >> there is a saying that dr. king had that said there is always the right time to do the right thing. i try to live my life every day by doing the right thing. we know that we are only halfway to completely eliminate hunger and we have work to do. walmart committed $2 billion to fighting hunger in the u.s. as we work together, we can stamp hunger out. >> and by contributions to your pbs station from viewers like you. thank you. tavis: ari berman is a political correspondent for "the nation" and author of the book "herding donkeys." last year he wrote a piece called "the gop war on voting." much of what he wrote has come to fruition. he joins us from new york. good to have you on this program. >> i am a longtime admirer. thanks for ha
. [applause] be mac thank you. there's a little less than two months before the election and in many ways this is the time the book was designed for because this are into these last two months, this is the election really get going. and to me, one of the great untold stories is not just obama versus romney. it is obama versus karl rove and he's in behind the scenes the whole time and he has put together over $1 billion that will be spent in these last two months. read new york here are not going to see much spent in the battleground states. and he's become king of the sub two. he has cover when you put this together money with money romney has raised the republican national committee is a total of about $1.8 billion. to put that in this, in no way, mccain had 375 million to spend, so this is a fact or a five. you'll start seeing it come out now. the other thing i want to discuss about him, is susie really? what does he do? is a political operative. how does he operate? what does he do? i talked to a couple services. one said there is a dark and terrible beauty about what he does. i have a
initially reacted. how did the court system react to this? caller code he was elected as a republican, for what that is worth. he felt he had to defer to the power and authority of the legislature to run pennsylvania elections. the supreme court, when they got that ruling, they sent it right back. they said that voting was a fundamental right and the judge would not be obligated to block the law unless -- sorry, missing a word here -- not disenfranchisement of voters. that was the strict order from the supreme court and he had no choice but to block all law. host: what has been the reaction in pennsylvania? who is going to benefit from this? caller: democrats have been very concerned that this would reduce turnout, especially among the elderly. they held up as a big victory. the republicans are basically trying to make sure that the law takes effect next year, not this year. they are looking to the future. host: as we look forward, do you expect this ruling to go to the supreme court before the election? could there be a change? or is this really what is going to happen? host: -- call
principal of countless ceos from general election to google. well the republicans may need a knew principal. remember these numbers? 42 million versus 24 million. those numbers are from a bloomberg study showing over the last 50 years, democrats created nearly twice as many jobs as republicans did. that is significant data. those are some cold hard facts. well today, that data got stronger. the unemployment rate dropped to 7.8%, which is the lowest since the president first took office. sure, i know. we need to do better, but the data is the data. progress is being made. the president's strategies are moving us in the right direction. that is the data, those are the facts. but republicans don't like those facts, so they are either undermining the recovery as mitt romney did today when he said this. >> romney: the reason it has come down this year is primarily due to the fact more and more people have just stopped looking for work. but if the same share of people were participating in the work force today as when the president got elected our unemployment would be around 11%
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in suburban las vegas. >> you may have heard that in a few days my opponent in this election and i are going to have a debate. i know folks in the media are speculating already on who's going to have the best zingers. >> you are. >> i don't know about that. >> both campaigns from the candidates on down have been frantically spinning to lower expectations for wednesday night. >> governor romney, he's a good debater. i'm just okay. >> president obama is a very experienced speaker, experienced debater. he's dub this before. this is mitt's first time on this kind of a stage. >> we've suspected all along that mitt romney will have a good night. he's prepared more than any candidate and he's shown himself to be a very good debate over the years. >> but on "meet the press" it was apparently governor chris christie who went off script who said he's going to have to beat the result if mitt romney is going to come out on top in november. >> on wednesday night, mitt romney is going to be standing on the same stage as the president of the united states and i'm telling you, david, come thursday morning,
will be removed from the roles. opponents say it was illegal within 90-days of the election. judge said florida has a duty to stop ineligible voters from voting. bruce davis has been granted parole after 40 years behind bars. could be overturned by jerry brown. davis was convicted over 2 murders unrelate to do the infamous sharon tate murders. >> time for another look at who is talking. >> we are talking about al gore he gives interesting bizarre explanation of the president's debate performance. take a look at this. >> i am going to say something controversially. obama arrived in denver at 2:00 p.m. today just a few hours before the debate started. romney did his debate prep in denver. when you go to 5,000 feet and you only have a few hours to adjust, i don't know maybe. >> mitt romney also talking about that comment this morning giving sean hannity his take on the former vice president's debate announcement. >>> would you agree maybe the altitude had an impact on the president last night. that was al gore's theory. >> look, it was a chance for each of us to describe our vision for the country
the elections for some of the candidates. i just think they will be more relevant in the future. as the tea party is not able to help out with the republicans, i think he will see a lot of people in the grass roots level leave the two parties and go to the third party. host: thank you for the call. jill stein just received a hundred $60,000 from the election commission because she is -- $160,000, she is out with a new web ad proclaiming with the green party is all about. [video clip] >> it is an end to unemployment, climate change and an end to corporate role. we are not talking spare change, we need a revolution. that is what we deserve it. what we do not deserve is pandering irresponsible [beep] passing itself off as campaigning. i cannot believe i said that, but that is how i feel. >> i am voting for jill stein. >> we need a green president. vote for jill stein. >> i am voting for jill stein. >> i am jill stein. i approve this message. host: dr. jill stein will be joining us later in the program. from the twitter page -- our question if you are just joining us are listening on c- span ra
the election day, we're going to bring the kudlow caucus together, they're the best minds in business and politics and tonight all cnbc contributors. our top story this evening, just two days until the first debate. romney is totally debate fit in my opinion. he is in fighting shach after demolishing ten opponents in 20 debates. mr. obama on the other hand, he's a bit doughy, i don't think he's in shape for this. and by the way, just minutes ago, north korea accused the united states of plotting to attack it as a steppingstone to dominate asia and has used the word nuclear war. well, how does president obama plan on handling these nut jobs? let me tell you that wednesday's debate, romney is going to broaden his message to include foreign policy. >>> plus we have a surprise increase in the ism manufacturing report. >>> plus again bernanke defends his debt plan. he's enabling the obama treasury to sell trillions of dollars in deficits. >>> hundreds of mexicans are involved in the fast and furious. this is a terrible story, hundreds of mexicans may be involved. should attorney general ho
biden became one of the youngest people ever elected to the u.s. senate. he's been steep in the political gospel of the democratic party for 40 years. he's played key roles in u.s. foreign policy as a member and chairman of the foreign committee. middle east, southwest asia, the united states has been there in the last four decades. joe biden has too. of course, congressman paul ryan who chairs the house budget committee also likes to tout his foreign policy chops. >> i have more foreign policy experience coming into this job than president obama did coming into his. >> can you explain how do you have more foreign policy experience than senator obama did. he was on the foreign relations committee. >> norah, i voted to send men and women to war. i've been to iraq and afghanistan. i've met with our troops to get perspectives. i've been to the funerals, i've talked to the widows, talked to the wives, the moms and the dads. that's something. that matters. >> yeah. the sitting vice president shouldn't have much problem landing a blow on a claim like that. though perhaps rather
time the two faced off this election cycle. it was a heated exchange at times. we have team coverage of commitment 2012. it did a party with -- a debate party with students. but we begin in denver. >> heading into this debate, both candidates try to live up to the billing. it started off civil with an embrace by the candidates' wives and an anniversary wish from the president to the first lady. >> i want to wish you a happy anniversary and the you know that a year from now we will not be celebrating it in front of 40 million people. >> the press and trees quickly faded -- the pleasantries quickly faded. >> governor romney's proposal calls for a $5 trillion tax cut on top of $2 trillion in additional spending for our military. he is saying he is going to pay for it by closing loopholes and deductions. >> i have five boys. i'm used to people sang something that is not always true but keep on repeating it and hoping i will believe it. that is not the case. i will not reduce the taxes paid by high-income americans. >> both candidates went all over the time on occasion. let's just above t
. this administration has a lot to answer for. they want the foreign policy to be the election policy and now it's front and center. >> eric: is the administration lying? is there a coverup? >> no, i don't think they are lying at all. i think their response is less than commanding. the first information you get from a crisis overseas is imperfect, wrong or it will change or a few days. it is not a question, that there were late to rolls release on friday afternoon, an update that, yes, this was a planned attack. but the defining issue is here the security of the compound. we know that the british ambassador, the united nations office and the red cross office in benghazi had been attacked recently, prior to the attack and the murder of our wonderful ambassador there. but the equivalent what have it costs to keep one member in afghanistan half a year is the protection we gave the consulate. who is to blame? i think the administration needs to take on board we are not protecting our warriors and our state department. but congress, since 2010, has cut our security funding for our emr embassies by 10 pmpls e
't want this close to the election to see some sort of a security breach. that is why they are making clear that no classified information was taken here. >>neil: thank you, ed henry, from las vegas. >> now, five weeks ahead of the election you may want to hear this next story. i've been a superintendent for 30 some years at many different park service units across the united states. the only time i've ever had a break is when i was on maternity leave. i have retired from doing this one thing that i loved. now, i'm going to be able to have the time to explore something different. it's like another chapter. >>neil: thousands of lay off notices will set workers hands days out of the election. the white house telling the defense contractors to hold off on the pink slip warnings and any legal costs they incur will be covered. today we are learning that lockheed and another against firm are listening. now, what is the heck is going on? these are part of the planned sequestration defense-related cuts in the works and they will happen. by obligation, you have to remind the employees affected
attorney decided not to press charges was elected. most of the issues that affect people every day our local issues, but i believe that national organizations put so much emphasis on the top of the ticket they are ignoring vital state, gubernatorial, state, county commissioner, all those down-ballot races, and when you are talking about the military- industrial complex, those are district attorney's charging people, judge-citizens charging people, so speak to how you are educating your constituents to understand down-ballot races matter, and even more so, then the top of the ticket? >> it is also different states. if you complained about extremism in the republican party or the support by minorities of the democratic party, you self-gerrymander the country, counties, and districts. what is transpiring is you can make sure you -- but you are giving up on south carolina. that will not change blew any time soon. >> talking about mississippi, alabama, tennessee, arkansas, a louisiana, and those are considered red states. >> you have to make sure both parties are fighting and we are just no
an election. it doesn't. you got to be realistic to n election. we started off on the own 20-yard line. we have driven the billion and the red zone we need 25 seats now how do we get there. we have got about 73 districts in play right now. we have got 53 toad blue candidates. there are 66 districts in the country that have republican incumbent but voted for president obama or john kerry in 2004. so we have a good playing field. and as of today, we got about 32 democratic challengers who are either tied or ahead in the polls. so we got the billion on the republican 20-yard line. we got to kick a field goal. we'll not do this with 35-40-50 seats in. this is going to be a field goal. any good football fan knows when you have the billion on the 20-yard line. the ability to score largely depends on the wind. if we have wind on our back as we do now, we score. if we have wind in front of us, it is going to be hard. fit is neutral environment. maybe maybe not. right now we got momentum. boy the way both cook, two of washington premier political pundits just upgraded us. they acknowledged that we
>> live from america's election headquarters, governor mitt romney saying america is in a jobs crisis. this, as the obama campaign touts a new report showing the unemployment rate dropping to 7.8%. governor romney citing millions of americans forced into part-time jobs and many who have simply stopped looking for week. in his weekly internet address, president obama says the new report shows the country is headed in the right direction. and new video out of israel showing an israeli fighter jet shooting down an unmanned drone inside their air space. right now, investigators are searching the drone's wreckage in the southern part of the country and israeli media sources saying it was not carrying weapons, but appears to be gathering information. and we'll be back at 6 eastern alongside rick fulbaum. >> paul: welcome back to the journal, editorial report. coming up in this half hour, the supreme court is back in session and promising to be another tumultuous turn as it references racial preferences and college admissions. could it be a potential pickup of republicans in the blues
people if they believe we are on the road to greece. if this president is re-elected, that is the road we will be on. i will cut and cap spending and as to a balanced budget. -- get us to a balanced budget. [cheers and applause] the last up to get this economy going is to do this -- championed small businesses. help them grow and keep their taxes down. by the way, the president has a bad idea when it comes to small businesses. this is his idea of taking away the right of the secret ballot for workers when they decide whether or not they won a union. they should have a right to a secret ballot. he wants to take it away. i will protect the rights of workers. [applause] president obama says that he has created 5 million new jobs. what he has not told you is that the economy has not created jobs like it should have. this has been the slowest recovery since the great depression. as a matter of fact, he said we would be at 5.4% of unemployment. instead we are at 8.1%. 9 million jobs at different. that is the difference. when paul and i get to the white house, we will get america back to working
converge, and that's what matters and 49% puts you in the, quote, re-elect zone. what's affecting romney, this is something we've been watching there is an enthusiasm gap among core republican voters among core democratic groups. overall there's a ten-point advantage among those republicans who call themselves nines or tens when on a scale of one to ten asked how interested they are in this election. there's been a ten-point gap pretty consistent all year. that's why for instance on the registered voter number, the president has a seven-point lead and it shrinks more than in half down to three, because the republican vote is more enthusiastic and they get through our likely voter screens. there's a lot of hispanics not getting through our likely voter screens. >> howard, there's a number that talks about people who haves extremely positive views of president up to 37%. how do we square those two numbers? >> well, i think the president obviously has solidified his base very well. i think the convention helped to do that in charlotte. i think that was a terrific job by his team of exciting
before on the 2004 race. i think i have one president, election in me. if we start a family, i would like to get one manufacture more presidential. she was okay with nap i had two candidates i liked. i asked to around people they didn't see al gore getting in. the other was john edwards. i liked john edwards at the time. and that didn't go -- there was a little bit of back and forth going on with that. and that didn't seem to be developing. so didn't look like anything was going to happen. there was one other candidates i liked. it was president obama. four years and a half years ago people back in the fall of 2006 would say things like, he's never going get elected there's no way america would elect a prime african-american you can't get elected with the name barack obama. it's actually didn't matter. i didn't know anybody in chicago. i didn't know anybody around the candidate. so it didn't look like anything was going to be happening. december 26, december 26, 2006 my wife and i were shopping day after christmas we were shopping in a borns and noble just up the road in california. my ph
." >>> we're now just 36 days from the presidential election and nationally our brand-new cnn/orc poll of likely voters shows the race between president obama and governor romney remaining up for grabs. the president leads 50% to 47%. but his three-point margin is within the poll's sampling error. our chief national correspondent john king is in denver getting ready for the debate over there. that's the site of the debate. john, take us into these numbers. what are you seeing? >> reporter: well, wolf, i can tell you this, talking to senior officials in the romney campaign, they believe after a tough week or ten days, the last several days, they have a little bit of a breeze at their back. they say the race has stabilized. you dig into the numbers. what is the most important issue in this first debate? the economy. look at this poll. which candidate would better handle the economy? the president, 49%, governor romney, 48%. a dead heat. the president has to defend his record. governor romney not only needs to attack his record but to convince voters he has a better place to take them if
month, hard to believe, till election day, and no issue bigger than jobs, right? >> no doubt about that, randi, and you're right. after what you could consider a tough week for the president coming out of that debate in denver the jobs numbers are a good sign for his re-election bid, a happy sign for the re-election team, but for mitt romney this is fascinating, landi, because the unemployment rate is below 8% for the first time since barack obama came into the white house back in january of 2009. you have heard mitt romney on the campaign trail over and over again, over the last year and a half running for the white house, criticize this president on jobs for the unemployment rate being over 8%. now it is under 8%. now it's time for mr. romney to have to pivot from his favorite line. take a listen to both candidates on the campaign trail yesterday reacting to the jobs numbers. >> today's news should give us some encouragement. it shouldn't be an excuse for the other side to try to talk down the economy just to try to score a few political points. it's a reminder that this country's com
going into effect before the november election. after it was revealed that hundreds of thousands of voters face the real pocket that they would not be allowed to vote. but now this unjust law will not be in effect on election day in this critical swing state. it's a stunning rebuke to republicans and their shameless attempt to rig the system. just remember one of those state top gop lawmakers slipped up and said what these laws are all about. >> voter i.d., which is going to allow governor romney to win the state of pennsylvania, done. >> sorry. it's not done. not anymore. not on our watch. not when we have our say. folks, the fight is far from over. under this ruling, the law's merely been delayed. not dismantled. across the country, republicans are fighting to keep their laws on the books. and they're dreaming up new ways to cheat the system. we've told you about the voter fraud scandal surrounding gop operative nathan sprool. now the investigation is taking the federal level with judge cunningham demanding answers about phoney addresses, even dead people registered as republic
that that does not happen in the six weeks leading up to the election, because the narrative of the campaign has been that the the democrats and particularly obama has had four years to make it better and he failed to do so and the numbers prove it. if things get better in october, that undermines a fundamental aspect of a campaign strategy, and i am not questioning whether or not mitt romney, a whole series of republicans want the economy better. right now it's strategically better if the economy is worse, given that argument for election. >> i don't know how you argue that 114,000 jobs is the economy getting a lot better. >> i'm not saying there is. i'm saying there would be a desire for this to remain and look worse in the weeks leading up. >> let's go to john harwood for the last word on this. >> every out party before an election wants voters to feel things are going badly so they vote for change. that's how it is whether republicans are in power or democrats are in power. >> thank you very much. i greatly appreciate your insight. cleaning up the mess. it took three weeks but governor romne
of the presidential election but go ahead -- caller: the unemployment drop of 7.8% is wonderful. however, i think it is deceiving. like myself and quite a few other people, i was on unemployment. i am no longer receiving unemployment because it ran out. i am working now. i am working in the mortgage industry which i was laid off from. in manufacturing, there are ample amounts of manufacturing positions available. i'm no longer on unemployment. i was working in manufacturing and receiving food stamps because of the amount they are paid in that sector. host: what type of manufacturing is it to tex? caller: it is making parts for cars. host: tells about the physical aspect of the job. caller: the hours are wonderful, it is a full-time position. the job itself is the assembly o-rings on pistons for engines for cars and shipping them out. making $9 per hour and receiving food stamps and i could barely make my bills. host: a larger the company is it? caller: it is a small company. host: from twitter -- spencer, okla., good morning. caller: good morning. i am currently unemployed. i worked for a company
going to vote for in this election? we might find out. he will join us in a few minutes. dagen: that election is about jobs, and the latest report does show some hope in hiring by private companies. but much more is needed to bring down unemployment. connell: and richard branson is coming on. he thinks america is bouncing back. he's selling $200,000 tickets to go to space on the street to prove it. dagen: and mcshane looked way too excited to be -- [inaudible]. that photo you posted on your facebook page was crazy looking. connell: crazy looking? dagen: nicole petallides is standing by. stocks now and every 15 minutes. what do you know nicole? nicole: i just met richard branson a few minutes ago. great guy. i look forward to that interview. remember yesterday we talked about metro pcs it was soaring. all this on talk of the deal that deutsche telekom was moving in and they were going to make a deal for t-mobile usa. now that is in fact the case. and now metro pcs giving back some of yesterday's gains. down 6% right now so t-mobile usa and metro pcs are going to combine and crea
, it is monday october 1st we are already here 30 days from the election. grim day in afghanistan. two more americans killed in the attack. >> al-qaida is on the path of defeat and osama bin laden is dead. wait until you hear what the top commander on the ground is saying about what is going on there. >> eric: two days. pumobama trying to spin expectation who has the most to gain. >> steve: we'll look at the preview. >> eric: he always said. i'll be back. now the former governor back in the spot light, talking about the affair that cost him his marriage . that and other affairs. "fox and friends" starts right now. welcome aboard, folks, october 1st. 91 days left. where did spept go. it flew by. >> gretchen: where did june go? the election is 31 days. are we that close already. >> eric: 6 and 37 days. >> gretchen: i am jumping the gun. it is it right around the corner. kicking off your monday morning with head lines. two days now from the first presidential debate. approximate the president's campaign trying to lower expectation by saying he could be at a disadvantage. >> challengers tend to
, are debating for the first time before the november election. it is a race to decide who will represent texans in the u.s. senate. i hope that by the end of the night to have a better idea of who you want to vote for. we will follow your comments and commentary on twitter. just use the hashtag #belodebate. we will be able to follow along. look for additional information on twitter. we will have supplemental information on each candidate on what -- where they stand on issues. this is a very different debate. we are throwing out the rules. candidates will face each other answering tough questions. moderating tonight is wfaa's senior political supporter -- reporter, brad watson. joining him is political reporter gromer jeffers. let's turn to dan. >> thank you very much. good evening. >> good to be with you. >> thank you for being with us tonight. >> should be fun. >> we are at it again. >> i would like to start tonight by framing with this race is right now for november with questions for each of you. we start with mr. sadler. you have an uphill battle. raising money has been hard. the democratic
it "forewarned." with your help, paul ryan and i will get elected. [cheers and applause] you'll see enterprises a large and small decide to open their doors and expand. we will see the kind of recovery that america needs and deserves. i have confidence in the american people. i know that created and patriotic people in here. we love this country. there is no other nation on earth like it. we are an exceptional nation. i believe that. when the founders wrote that document known as the declaration of independence, they changed the world with insights that god gave us our rights and not the government. [cheers and applause] these are rights which we have. i love america. my confidence in the future comes from my passion for this country and for the people of this country. do you realize how unusual we are as a people? i do not know how it began, but it is here. it is in our hearts. some years ago when i was serving as governor of my state, the then president of israel came to boston. i happen to have a lunch with him in someone's apartment. someone said to him, "what you think about america's invo
. the first thing is we were in the middle of an election campaign, and candidate bill clinton was comparing beijing to baghdad. and this was right at the time when china was moving from baghdad to paris. maybe i'm overstating the case a little bit, but that's essentially what was happening. i mean, this was a dramatic shift in china, and the u.s. government paid absolutely no attention to it. it had no impact on the policies of the clinton administration when it took office. and, of course, since i was the american ambassador to china this confronted me with problems with an american government that had one view of china, that china was already moving in a different direction, and that created some contradictions in trying to carry out my instructions faithfully. but i think this time, you have something that goes of that. clearly are the bush eli a fair has exposed that china's political system is not different from others. leaders struggle for power. they have their own ambitions. some succeed, some come crashing down, as in the case of bush eli. so we shouldn't assume that just because c
, unreliable indicator. >> why are we talking about it? you're never going to get elected above 8%. >> ten years i've been saying this to people, stop using it, start talking about whether or not -- 114,000 jobs are created, those are jobs that were created. those are jobs created minus jobs lost. that's easy arithmetic that a second-grader can do. the unemployment rate is a little bit of a red herring, used as a political football, being used again as a political football today. i find it much easier to understand the other numbers. >> i don't know if we have this graphic, i tried to make it up super, super fast. >> making your own graphics now. >> throwing my staff into total disarray. i'll hold it up, can you see it? >> that's great. very tv friendly, ashleigh. >> it speaks to your spoipoint. this is what i do when i have nothing else to do. i went back to 1936 and the jobless rate was 13.6% and the next time it was 14.6%. and then he brought it down to 8.2%, a heck of a turn. >> if it goes up, you think it is bad. if it goes down, you think it is good. any fool can tell you whether it
it at arm's length during the election, and that's not very presidential. >> paul: what would you like to hear from romney in the speech. >> i'd like to hear, there's a vacuum created in the middle east, american power is in-- this is what happens when america is not leading in the world. the turks want america to be engaged and want american support they don't get it the the same in. >> paul: bret. >> i want to say that threats come first in the foreign policy and we're not going to favor the egyptians at the expense of the iranians or the chinese for anybody else. and we'll see what he says, shade of red, and linda mcmahon running neck and neck with her democratic opponent it's strange, i'm getting gray, but kate -- still looks like...kate. nice'n easy with colorblend technology gives expert highlights and lowlights. for color that's true to you. i don't know how she does it. with nice'n easy, all they see is you. with nice'n easy, [ female announcer ] some people like to pretend a flood could never happen to them. and that their homeowners insurance protects them. [ thunder crashes
does the growth message like ronald reagan, he could win the election but it has to be truly credible and not appear as though he is apologetic. >>neil: what i learned on fox business network talking to these two retired senators, they recognize how surprisingly easy it is just to talk about a democrat in the indicate of sam nunn, slowing down the growth of entitlements and from senator bennett, a republican, closing loop hes and credits that allow some not to pay taxes at all. ronald reagan would tell you, it is not a tax hike. however, we get so dog mattic and fixed in our positions we are piling up more to the debt because of this. >>guest: exactly. sam nunt did not mention, just talked about the trajection but if we get the broad based simpson-bowles, you will get so much fatter growth people will get jobs and be taken off we because they have good, high paying jobs and will go to the tax roles rather than being on the welfare roles. when people are moving to the tax roles rather than welfare roles you can reduce tax rates, or welfare spending and bring it back faster. >>neil: it
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